Thanks, Peter. The stuff our school history books didn't say/weasel-worded. If you ever get around to watching Pluribus I'd love your impressions (saw your media recommendations page).
I knew that Japan was an imperial power but not China. Can you show examples of why you think China engaged in forms of genocide, colonialism, and imperialism, including forms of permanent colonial occupation or provide links?
Hi! Different iterations of the Chinese state have been empires, conquering and absorbing their neighbors, going back thousands of years. If you look on a map, of the immense territory China currently claims, the vast majority of that was inhabited by people speaking entirely different languages and practicing entirely different cultures 3,000 years ago, 1,000 years ago, 500 years ago, and still today. Various Chinese empires conquered and absorbed the Yue, Koreans, Vietnamese, numerous nomadic steppe peoples, and even expanded all the way to Central Asia until they were defeated by an expanding Arabic caliphate (the Abbasid against the Tang dynasty). Today, the modern state of China still occupies the lands of the Yue peoples, the Xianbei, the Wuhuan, the Xiongnu, the Qiang or Rma, the Tibetans, Xinjiang, along with lands that had been inhabited by Magahi, Korean, and Viet peoples. To accomplish their various imperial expansions and to fully absorb conquered territories, they practiced population replacement, language suppression, and full-on ethnic cleansing. Just two examples, there's the genocide of the Dzungars of Central Asia in the 19th century, or the ongoing genocide in Xinjiang today.
This is just a small sample. The line of different Chinese dynasties constitutes one of the most "successful" empires in history, and the current borders of modern China are based on that imperialism and an internal version of ethnic superiority that is used to justify ethnic cleansing against groups the authorities determine problematic.
The claims of China committing genocide against Uyghurs in Xinjiang have been pretty thoroughly debunked.
Check out this article on the Grayzone:
Behind the ‘Uyghur Tribunal’, US govt-backed separatist theater to escalate conflict with China - The Grayzone
“As the US government’s propaganda campaign against China drags on, a mock tribunal has become a central node for the dissemination of allegations of Uyghur genocide to Western media. But behind the carefully scripted horror stories conveyed to the public by an uncritical media are massive discrepancies, overt separatist sentiments, and huge sums of US government money.
“While the mock tribunal presented itself as “independent,” it was organized by a US government-funded separatist group that for years has played a key role in generating anti-China propaganda.
“The US government claims that China is carrying out genocide against ethnic Uyghurs, many of whom are Muslim, in an effort to erase them culturally.
No motivation or context is provided to explain why China’s government would be carrying out such putative abuses.
In reality, a campaign of terrorism in pursuit of separatism was unfolding in China’s Xinjiang region from the early 1990s onward. A violent extremist minority of Uyghurs had been radicalized by Wahhabi fundamentalism imported from Saudi Arabia, as the LA Times explained in 2016.
The resulting terrorism not only targeted aspects of the Chinese state, but also fellow Uyghurs who refused to adopt this imported extremist ideology.”
I'm sorry, but I'm not going to tolerate any genocide denial on my Substack, and I'm not very inclined to trust someone's research when it all comes from Grayzone and Medium. The idea that China is not capable of genocide and does not systematically carry out atrocities and intense repression against its own subjects is so naïve, insincere, and in contradiction to such a huge body of evidence.
Mike Pompeo accused China of genocide and “directly referenced Adrian Zenz, the evangelical Christian fundamentalist whose claims of forced sterilization and labor – the basis of the genocide label – have been discredited as the product of data abuse and outright fraud.”
“the claim of Uyghurs being killed comes down to the testimony of one person whose own mother was revealed to be a liar. If Mihrigul Tursun is lying, it wouldn’t be the first time the U.S. government would have a sympathetic character give teary-eyed but false testimony in order to justify military aggression. That testimony, of course, turned out to be a lie cooked up by a member of congress and a PR firm.”
“unlike in the Nazi death camps, there’s no evidence of Chinese crematoriums. Instead, there are a handful of articles from the U.S. propaganda organ Radio Free Asia”
NED-Funded Uyghur Separatist Network and CAIR Director Rally Around Cold War Propaganda
Wow this is a really comprehensive explanation, very helpful & informative. Could you please share your sources and/or give some suggestions for further reading, watching etc. ?
Thanks, Peter. The stuff our school history books didn't say/weasel-worded. If you ever get around to watching Pluribus I'd love your impressions (saw your media recommendations page).
I knew that Japan was an imperial power but not China. Can you show examples of why you think China engaged in forms of genocide, colonialism, and imperialism, including forms of permanent colonial occupation or provide links?
Hi! Different iterations of the Chinese state have been empires, conquering and absorbing their neighbors, going back thousands of years. If you look on a map, of the immense territory China currently claims, the vast majority of that was inhabited by people speaking entirely different languages and practicing entirely different cultures 3,000 years ago, 1,000 years ago, 500 years ago, and still today. Various Chinese empires conquered and absorbed the Yue, Koreans, Vietnamese, numerous nomadic steppe peoples, and even expanded all the way to Central Asia until they were defeated by an expanding Arabic caliphate (the Abbasid against the Tang dynasty). Today, the modern state of China still occupies the lands of the Yue peoples, the Xianbei, the Wuhuan, the Xiongnu, the Qiang or Rma, the Tibetans, Xinjiang, along with lands that had been inhabited by Magahi, Korean, and Viet peoples. To accomplish their various imperial expansions and to fully absorb conquered territories, they practiced population replacement, language suppression, and full-on ethnic cleansing. Just two examples, there's the genocide of the Dzungars of Central Asia in the 19th century, or the ongoing genocide in Xinjiang today.
This is just a small sample. The line of different Chinese dynasties constitutes one of the most "successful" empires in history, and the current borders of modern China are based on that imperialism and an internal version of ethnic superiority that is used to justify ethnic cleansing against groups the authorities determine problematic.
The claims of China committing genocide against Uyghurs in Xinjiang have been pretty thoroughly debunked.
Check out this article on the Grayzone:
Behind the ‘Uyghur Tribunal’, US govt-backed separatist theater to escalate conflict with China - The Grayzone
“As the US government’s propaganda campaign against China drags on, a mock tribunal has become a central node for the dissemination of allegations of Uyghur genocide to Western media. But behind the carefully scripted horror stories conveyed to the public by an uncritical media are massive discrepancies, overt separatist sentiments, and huge sums of US government money.
“While the mock tribunal presented itself as “independent,” it was organized by a US government-funded separatist group that for years has played a key role in generating anti-China propaganda.
“The US government claims that China is carrying out genocide against ethnic Uyghurs, many of whom are Muslim, in an effort to erase them culturally.
No motivation or context is provided to explain why China’s government would be carrying out such putative abuses.
In reality, a campaign of terrorism in pursuit of separatism was unfolding in China’s Xinjiang region from the early 1990s onward. A violent extremist minority of Uyghurs had been radicalized by Wahhabi fundamentalism imported from Saudi Arabia, as the LA Times explained in 2016.
The resulting terrorism not only targeted aspects of the Chinese state, but also fellow Uyghurs who refused to adopt this imported extremist ideology.”
I’ll add links below:
https://thegrayzone.com/2021/03/31/china-uyghur-gun-soldiers-empire/
https://thegrayzone.com/2021/10/17/uyghur-tribunal-us-government-china/
https://www.thecanadafiles.com/articles/meet-the-canada-based-cia-front-funded-group-fiercely-driving-the-debunked-xinjiang-genocide-narrative-in-canada
https://thegrayzone.com/2021/02/18/us-media-reports-chinese-genocide-relied-on-fraudulent-far-right-researcher/
https://thegrayzone.com/2020/03/05/world-uyghur-congress-us-far-right-regime-change-network-fall-china/
https://thegrayzone.com/2020/03/26/forced-labor-china-us-nato-arms-industry-cold-war/
https://thegrayzone.com/2019/12/21/china-detaining-millions-uyghurs-problems-claims-us-ngo-researcher/
https://medium.com/@braisedporkblog/debunking-the-uyghur-genocide-a-resource-list-a31dd0ea3d87
I'm sorry, but I'm not going to tolerate any genocide denial on my Substack, and I'm not very inclined to trust someone's research when it all comes from Grayzone and Medium. The idea that China is not capable of genocide and does not systematically carry out atrocities and intense repression against its own subjects is so naïve, insincere, and in contradiction to such a huge body of evidence.
From Mint Press News:
Mike Pompeo accused China of genocide and “directly referenced Adrian Zenz, the evangelical Christian fundamentalist whose claims of forced sterilization and labor – the basis of the genocide label – have been discredited as the product of data abuse and outright fraud.”
“the claim of Uyghurs being killed comes down to the testimony of one person whose own mother was revealed to be a liar. If Mihrigul Tursun is lying, it wouldn’t be the first time the U.S. government would have a sympathetic character give teary-eyed but false testimony in order to justify military aggression. That testimony, of course, turned out to be a lie cooked up by a member of congress and a PR firm.”
“unlike in the Nazi death camps, there’s no evidence of Chinese crematoriums. Instead, there are a handful of articles from the U.S. propaganda organ Radio Free Asia”
NED-Funded Uyghur Separatist Network and CAIR Director Rally Around Cold War Propaganda
https://www.mintpressnews.com/china-uighur-genocide-behind-us-government-propaganda/276085/
The conclusion of even US State Department lawyers was that there was insufficient evidence to establish that China was committing genocide:
https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/19/china-uighurs-genocide-us-pompeo-blinken/
Here’s another source:
https://reason2resist.substack.com/p/are-the-uyghurs-oppressed-a-report?r=9fjb5&utm_medium=ios
Wow this is a really comprehensive explanation, very helpful & informative. Could you please share your sources and/or give some suggestions for further reading, watching etc. ?